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Songs You Don't Sing in School
At some point, when songs like Nine Inch Nail's "Closer" come up on shuffle when I'm making dinner or sitting at the computer or what-have-you, I should probably start hitting "skip". When do you suppose that point is?

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When Sputnik comes down with a case of echolalia.

We reached that part months ago, but REALLY REALLY reached it now...

I figure it's like learning to roll while they're on some kind of high surface while you're looking the other way for two seconds -- the incident that makes you realize they've got the ability is inevitably going to be the most embarrassing/dangerous possible.

Few months ago I created a Smart Playlist in iTunes whose contents are excluded from the Smart Playlist I use when doing my regular shuffle.

The new list is called "Immature Content" and matches any of: "Name contains Penis; Album contains Avenue Q; Album contains Mormon; Artist contains Kid Rock; Artist contains Faithless; Album contains Explicit; Name contains Explicit; Artist contains Marilyn Manson; Artist contains Bitch".

See Carey's comments about echolalia for an explanation...

Yeah, something like that would probably be the way to go. Mine aren't quite as easy to filter, I don't think; there are a lot of albums where mostly they are fine but then there's one song you want to use some discretion about repeating in public.... Possibly there are more headphones in my future.

I just figured it was safer to use a blunt instrument. In any case you'll quickly find you're only ever listening to the kid's music anyway. Turns out there really is kid's music, and they react so much better to it. It just becomes easier.

Please excuse me, I have to listen to Mahna Mahna for the 1,925,419th time today. Be right back.

But what "kid's music" is will depend heavily on your kid. My godchildren are really really into Cornish sea chanties right now. I'm not kidding. Actual Cornish sea chanties, not "we friendlied this up and gave it a cutesy kiddie name."

My dad saved his Jethro Tull albums for when I was not there until I was 10 and learning the flute. That worked. On the other hand, my cousins and I had huge fights about the lyric "my old man's Trojans and his Old Spice aftershave" in Billy Joel's "Keeping the Faith" when we were 3, 4, and 6, respectively. What was he getting/doing to prepare for his date? What was that word, his old man's...what? We finally determined that he was cooking his date dinner and making jojos, the little fried dough ball thingers, hoping that his dad's recipe would impress her.

That is in the category of "if they don't already know it won't make any difference anyway." "Closer" is...not.

Oh, and: I'd start any day now really. Waiting until you notice that the kid is picking stuff up is far too late. I remember several very embarrassing anecdotes about the neighbors from when they thought we were too little to pick up what they were saying and I not only was not too little, I turned out to have--surprise!--a photographic memory. Which your munchkin might not, but you don't know. Which doesn't mean you can't say anything horrible in front of the kidlet! It just means you say horrible things you are totally comfortable with the kidlet repeating.

But what "kid's music" is will depend heavily on your kid.

Yeah, my sibling and I didn't listen to much officially-designated kids' music growing up, but we definitely had slightly different taste than our parents. (Trout Fishing in America has some adult albums and some kids' albums, and we listened to them all; eventually there were also Disney soundtracks, but not until I was buying my own music. At some point here I expect Mom will step in and remind me of something I've entirely forgotten.)

That is in the category of "if they don't already know it won't make any difference anyway." "Closer" is...not.

Yep. One of my favorite songs as a kid has a marijuana reference that I didn't recognize as anything even vaguely questionable until college some time. I am not too concerned about that sort of thing.

I have kind of a similar feeling about books vs. comic books; for the most part, I am not too worried about kids stumbling across something horrifying in a book, because it requires a certain amount of effort to process and if they realize they're getting into scary territory they can stop. But some of the comic books need to go up on high shelves for a while, because you open those up to a random page and there's EYEBALLS ALL OVER THE GROUND, and then you've got nightmares for weeks.

Shanna has a lot of Girl Genius memorized. <3

I kind of lacked the willpower to stop when I found a nightmarish scene in a book. Train wreck syndrome is a powerful force.

Oh, it's amazing what they'll pick up from just text... just ask the kid in grade three that I was tutoring while I was in high school. I did tell him that he probably didn't want to read any Brian Lumley, but would he listen? Not in time...
When do kids generally start babbling syllables, but not yet words? About a month before that average age.
Either that or listen to all your NIN/Marilyn Manson/etc now on repeat so you get sick of it and can exclude it from shuffle for awhile.

At four I just started seriously watching it and her speech is advanced. I noticed in particular when the Prince song "Gett Off" came on. *ahem*

Damn you. Now I have that song going through my head. (I am so musically old-fashioned that I would never have known the song if it hadn't been for killabeez's vid, but there you go.)

As for when, I'd say as soon as the offspring is talking in coherent words.

Ha. I did start liking it rather better after I saw that vid. :)

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